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	<title>Comments on: On Customer Service: Walmart Photo Center</title>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
		<link>http://www.nathangibbs.com/2006/10/03/on-customer-service-walmart-photo-center/comment-page-2/#comment-150096</link>
		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do truly apologize for situations like this (for what ~my~ apology is worth...)... it IS difficult for both parties involved.

I have also seen this situation happen many times in our Walmart photo center, especially in the advent of easier, cheaper, better cameras coming out the last year or so. It is now possible for quite a few people to shoot ~professional looking~ photos by simply &#039;pushing a button&#039; (no insult intended to the son taking the photos).

In our photo center, I am the oldest person there (50), with the most years of photographic background skills/training/knowledge behind me (19+ years in the photo business, about 25 years pursuing photography as a serious hobby, About a year in there as a professional wedding photographer) - thus, if we have a photo brought to me by one of my co-workers, in question &#039;is this professionally taken... we can&#039;t tell!&#039; - it has gotten harder &amp; harder for me to even tell in many cases if it was professionally taken! I am now [and recommending to my fellow Photo associates] to take the policy ~if you can&#039;t tell, as the person reproducing it  If they say &#039;no, it was not professionally taken&#039;, then let them do it. If they say yes... then, they can&#039;t do it.~

Thus, (and unfortunately this upsets many customers), we then have to return to Walmart&#039;s policy [which is explained in literature available at any Walmart photo center, as well on Walmart&#039;s website (photo section)] that even it a photo ~appears~ to be professionally taken, we will not reproduce/print/copy it.

As much as this may anger customers and many people on this post, it is in effect to cover/protect Walmart legally, as well as us the Photo associate themselves. 

IF (and yes, it is probably a 1 in 100,000 chance) we were to print a professional photo, and IF then the pro photographer were to find out it was done without his release, Walmart would be sued (and now days everybody is suing Walmart... successfully) as well as the associate would lose their job, and would also be legally responsible.

I am not going to put myself in that position.

I have looked several times, and I am not wearing a button on my lapel that states &#039;I am mean, I am cruel and uncaring&#039;. Walmart associates have a life beyond their job, and [most of them at least] do have a heart. I truly care about each customer, and do my best to serve their needs to the best of all my abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do truly apologize for situations like this (for what ~my~ apology is worth&#8230;)&#8230; it IS difficult for both parties involved.</p>
<p>I have also seen this situation happen many times in our Walmart photo center, especially in the advent of easier, cheaper, better cameras coming out the last year or so. It is now possible for quite a few people to shoot ~professional looking~ photos by simply &#8216;pushing a button&#8217; (no insult intended to the son taking the photos).</p>
<p>In our photo center, I am the oldest person there (50), with the most years of photographic background skills/training/knowledge behind me (19+ years in the photo business, about 25 years pursuing photography as a serious hobby, About a year in there as a professional wedding photographer) &#8211; thus, if we have a photo brought to me by one of my co-workers, in question &#8216;is this professionally taken&#8230; we can&#8217;t tell!&#8217; &#8211; it has gotten harder &amp; harder for me to even tell in many cases if it was professionally taken! I am now [and recommending to my fellow Photo associates] to take the policy ~if you can&#8217;t tell, as the person reproducing it  If they say &#8216;no, it was not professionally taken&#8217;, then let them do it. If they say yes&#8230; then, they can&#8217;t do it.~</p>
<p>Thus, (and unfortunately this upsets many customers), we then have to return to Walmart&#8217;s policy [which is explained in literature available at any Walmart photo center, as well on Walmart's website (photo section)] that even it a photo ~appears~ to be professionally taken, we will not reproduce/print/copy it.</p>
<p>As much as this may anger customers and many people on this post, it is in effect to cover/protect Walmart legally, as well as us the Photo associate themselves. </p>
<p>IF (and yes, it is probably a 1 in 100,000 chance) we were to print a professional photo, and IF then the pro photographer were to find out it was done without his release, Walmart would be sued (and now days everybody is suing Walmart&#8230; successfully) as well as the associate would lose their job, and would also be legally responsible.</p>
<p>I am not going to put myself in that position.</p>
<p>I have looked several times, and I am not wearing a button on my lapel that states &#8216;I am mean, I am cruel and uncaring&#8217;. Walmart associates have a life beyond their job, and [most of them at least] do have a heart. I truly care about each customer, and do my best to serve their needs to the best of all my abilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Abbey</title>
		<link>http://www.nathangibbs.com/2006/10/03/on-customer-service-walmart-photo-center/comment-page-2/#comment-150082</link>
		<dc:creator>Abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bad thing is situations like this:  My son-in-law&#039;s mother went to Walmart to get some copies made of some photos that HER SON took of our grandson and they told her that they were professionally done and that they would NOT let her copy them.  She told him she couldn&#039;t help it if her son was a very good photographer.  I mean, that is really ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad thing is situations like this:  My son-in-law&#8217;s mother went to Walmart to get some copies made of some photos that HER SON took of our grandson and they told her that they were professionally done and that they would NOT let her copy them.  She told him she couldn&#8217;t help it if her son was a very good photographer.  I mean, that is really ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
		<link>http://www.nathangibbs.com/2006/10/03/on-customer-service-walmart-photo-center/comment-page-2/#comment-150020</link>
		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Valerie, you are correct. According to Federal Copyright Law, it states that [quoting form the Federal website] &quot;... a WORK that is created...&quot;

The whole copying thing is relevant when a person tries to copy or print (or even scan to a CD) something that THEY did not take themselves, without (quoting from the Federal website again) written permission from the photographer or studio/business.

The reason why Walmart (and other places that try to follow the copyright law, like Riteaid, etc.) looks for and only pursues action on only professionally taken photos, is that even though aunt Aggie ~could~ sue if her nephew copied the cute photo of himself in that cute cowboy outfit, odds are that she wouldn&#039;t. They use their best judgement (and follow company policy on making thus judgement to protect themselves and the company... what&#039;s so wrong with that!) to determine if a photo was taken professionally, and if it was TAKEN within the last 100 years (again, Federal website), customer is refused.

Common though would be snatching that spectacular photo off of a website, and putting it onto a thumbdrive, and taking it in to a place [like Walmart] to get printed. Yes,you probably would get away with it, because it doesn&#039;t ~look~ professional, but still, as by the copyright law, someone ELSE did create it, and thus is protected, and would be breaking the law if copied or printed. Anywhere.

Don&#039;t think the Walmart employee is mean, not wanting to let a person copy a 50 year old [professional] photo someone brings in who needs it for a funeral tomorrow... I&#039;ve lost both of my parents already! I have a heart! But I also have to follow the law and my job&#039;s policy.

I thank God for the [rare] nice customers who understand the policy and even though are disappointed, are not mean to us in return.

Yes, I am a Walmart Photo Employee. Been one for 9+ years. Been in the photo retail business for 19+ years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Valerie, you are correct. According to Federal Copyright Law, it states that [quoting form the Federal website] &#8220;&#8230; a WORK that is created&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The whole copying thing is relevant when a person tries to copy or print (or even scan to a CD) something that THEY did not take themselves, without (quoting from the Federal website again) written permission from the photographer or studio/business.</p>
<p>The reason why Walmart (and other places that try to follow the copyright law, like Riteaid, etc.) looks for and only pursues action on only professionally taken photos, is that even though aunt Aggie ~could~ sue if her nephew copied the cute photo of himself in that cute cowboy outfit, odds are that she wouldn&#8217;t. They use their best judgement (and follow company policy on making thus judgement to protect themselves and the company&#8230; what&#8217;s so wrong with that!) to determine if a photo was taken professionally, and if it was TAKEN within the last 100 years (again, Federal website), customer is refused.</p>
<p>Common though would be snatching that spectacular photo off of a website, and putting it onto a thumbdrive, and taking it in to a place [like Walmart] to get printed. Yes,you probably would get away with it, because it doesn&#8217;t ~look~ professional, but still, as by the copyright law, someone ELSE did create it, and thus is protected, and would be breaking the law if copied or printed. Anywhere.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think the Walmart employee is mean, not wanting to let a person copy a 50 year old [professional] photo someone brings in who needs it for a funeral tomorrow&#8230; I&#8217;ve lost both of my parents already! I have a heart! But I also have to follow the law and my job&#8217;s policy.</p>
<p>I thank God for the [rare] nice customers who understand the policy and even though are disappointed, are not mean to us in return.</p>
<p>Yes, I am a Walmart Photo Employee. Been one for 9+ years. Been in the photo retail business for 19+ years.</p>
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		<title>By: valerie</title>
		<link>http://www.nathangibbs.com/2006/10/03/on-customer-service-walmart-photo-center/comment-page-2/#comment-126574</link>
		<dc:creator>valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 07:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you understood as much about the law as you seem to claim, you would also know that EVERY photo, EVERY photo, is copyrighted, no matter if it says &quot;copyright&quot; on it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you understood as much about the law as you seem to claim, you would also know that EVERY photo, EVERY photo, is copyrighted, no matter if it says &#8220;copyright&#8221; on it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Rita</title>
		<link>http://www.nathangibbs.com/2006/10/03/on-customer-service-walmart-photo-center/comment-page-2/#comment-126560</link>
		<dc:creator>Rita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 03:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in the Photo Center at a Wal-Mart.  I also went to school and received a Bachelors degree in Photography.  I know I am repeating many people by saying this, but it is a FEDERAL LAW.  You will get the same if you go to Walgreens or Rite Aid.  

We see so many pictures coming through the lab, we can tell if something is professional.  We also have professional photographers who come and get their photos done through the lab.  Most pictures that come through the lab that we find copyrighted, we&#039;ve seen the type of work before and pretty much know who took the pictures.  All we ask, is if the photos are copyrighted, for you to give us a release.  If you did take the pictures, by all means we will give you the pictures, after we have you sign a release form stating that you are the author of the photographs.  This way if a customer isn&#039;t telling the truth and just signing this because they want their photos, and the photographer comes after us for it, we have proof that the customer stated these things.  But like I said, we see so many photos coming through the lab, we know whether or not they are professional or not.  

If you have an issue with the policy, contact the federal government. 

I for one am sick of the crap that customers give us for doing our job.  Some of us like our jobs and intend to keep it.

Others are aware of the things going on in the Economy and want the stability and need the income.  

It isn&#039;t just walmart, try walgreens, rite aid, kinney&#039;s and other stores.  If they give you the photos, then someone needs to contact the federal government because it is once again FEDERAL LAW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in the Photo Center at a Wal-Mart.  I also went to school and received a Bachelors degree in Photography.  I know I am repeating many people by saying this, but it is a FEDERAL LAW.  You will get the same if you go to Walgreens or Rite Aid.  </p>
<p>We see so many pictures coming through the lab, we can tell if something is professional.  We also have professional photographers who come and get their photos done through the lab.  Most pictures that come through the lab that we find copyrighted, we&#8217;ve seen the type of work before and pretty much know who took the pictures.  All we ask, is if the photos are copyrighted, for you to give us a release.  If you did take the pictures, by all means we will give you the pictures, after we have you sign a release form stating that you are the author of the photographs.  This way if a customer isn&#8217;t telling the truth and just signing this because they want their photos, and the photographer comes after us for it, we have proof that the customer stated these things.  But like I said, we see so many photos coming through the lab, we know whether or not they are professional or not.  </p>
<p>If you have an issue with the policy, contact the federal government. </p>
<p>I for one am sick of the crap that customers give us for doing our job.  Some of us like our jobs and intend to keep it.</p>
<p>Others are aware of the things going on in the Economy and want the stability and need the income.  </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just walmart, try walgreens, rite aid, kinney&#8217;s and other stores.  If they give you the photos, then someone needs to contact the federal government because it is once again FEDERAL LAW!</p>
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		<title>By: valerie</title>
		<link>http://www.nathangibbs.com/2006/10/03/on-customer-service-walmart-photo-center/comment-page-2/#comment-123417</link>
		<dc:creator>valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 04:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, I have to just ROFL at &quot;posed&quot; - that&#039;s the most ridiculous thing I&#039;ve heard yet!  Glad you got your photos!  Try winkflash.com sometime - just takes about a week, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I have to just ROFL at &#8220;posed&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s the most ridiculous thing I&#8217;ve heard yet!  Glad you got your photos!  Try winkflash.com sometime &#8211; just takes about a week, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 00:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, a former Walmart employee said they thought this was a rare occurance.  I just experienced the same thing.  My husband&#039;s cousin took our wedding photos for free and surrendered the copyright to us along with the disc of digital images to do with as we wished.  I too was hot by the end of the conversation.  I needed a couple of the photos for a funeral in a couple of days.  The Walmart employee , manager, gave me the two photos I wanted for free.  By the way, they used the excuse that they were obviously posed-no kidding-and that&#039;s why they couldn&#039;t give my pictures to me.  My husband is writing for a permission slip as it were right now.  But they can sit and spin on the photographs they wasted printing as far as I&#039;m concerned.  I will never buy photos there ever again.  As far as I know most photos at family events are &quot;posed&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, a former Walmart employee said they thought this was a rare occurance.  I just experienced the same thing.  My husband&#8217;s cousin took our wedding photos for free and surrendered the copyright to us along with the disc of digital images to do with as we wished.  I too was hot by the end of the conversation.  I needed a couple of the photos for a funeral in a couple of days.  The Walmart employee , manager, gave me the two photos I wanted for free.  By the way, they used the excuse that they were obviously posed-no kidding-and that&#8217;s why they couldn&#8217;t give my pictures to me.  My husband is writing for a permission slip as it were right now.  But they can sit and spin on the photographs they wasted printing as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  I will never buy photos there ever again.  As far as I know most photos at family events are &#8220;posed&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 03:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look I know all of you have some bad experiences with walmart photo centers. As a 5 year law enforcement officer and 3 year photo department manager. Some of these stories could&#039;ve been resolved fairly easily. With the rise of digital cameras now up to 14 megapixels and the ability to do HD photos it&#039;s very hard to tell whats professional and whats not. As the background goes its a bit harder. I have to follow the law or I would be doing a disservice to the public. Many of you should&#039;ve been able to print them but it is very hard for us to truely tell anymore. I always have try to make sure that the customers are happy within reason. I however will never apologize for upholding the law. If you were to tell me that you were the photographer I would explain to you the penalties if you didn&#039;t take them. I personally would give you a form to sign and ask for a number for us to put down on the form. If you refuse to do both I don&#039;t sell you the pictures. Its a very big interpreptive law that is a bit confusing. The gist of it is that noone can make a profit off of someone elses work without written consent. The person whos making the profit off of it is walmart. No matter if a customer signs a form stating they are the copyright holders, walmart still can be sued if they didn&#039;t have permission to print them off. Thats why the policy is if it appears to be professional we need a release. There are so many people doing the get rich by suing major organizations. The bigger the company the bigger the payout. People who are breaking the law makes it harder for people who aren&#039;t. Please understand not all employees aren&#039;t that rude or obnoxious. I may be an ass but I never treat anyone with disrespect. Just know if you do have problems you can always call the market and regional managers too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look I know all of you have some bad experiences with walmart photo centers. As a 5 year law enforcement officer and 3 year photo department manager. Some of these stories could&#8217;ve been resolved fairly easily. With the rise of digital cameras now up to 14 megapixels and the ability to do HD photos it&#8217;s very hard to tell whats professional and whats not. As the background goes its a bit harder. I have to follow the law or I would be doing a disservice to the public. Many of you should&#8217;ve been able to print them but it is very hard for us to truely tell anymore. I always have try to make sure that the customers are happy within reason. I however will never apologize for upholding the law. If you were to tell me that you were the photographer I would explain to you the penalties if you didn&#8217;t take them. I personally would give you a form to sign and ask for a number for us to put down on the form. If you refuse to do both I don&#8217;t sell you the pictures. Its a very big interpreptive law that is a bit confusing. The gist of it is that noone can make a profit off of someone elses work without written consent. The person whos making the profit off of it is walmart. No matter if a customer signs a form stating they are the copyright holders, walmart still can be sued if they didn&#8217;t have permission to print them off. Thats why the policy is if it appears to be professional we need a release. There are so many people doing the get rich by suing major organizations. The bigger the company the bigger the payout. People who are breaking the law makes it harder for people who aren&#8217;t. Please understand not all employees aren&#8217;t that rude or obnoxious. I may be an ass but I never treat anyone with disrespect. Just know if you do have problems you can always call the market and regional managers too.</p>
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		<title>By: valerie</title>
		<link>http://www.nathangibbs.com/2006/10/03/on-customer-service-walmart-photo-center/comment-page-2/#comment-113587</link>
		<dc:creator>valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 17:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JOEN.  Seriously?  No one asked for you to read here or give your input.  Don&#039;t like it, go somewhere else.  &quot;How cares anyone&quot;???  No need for your filthy mouth here, anyway, go somewhere else.

@Jane.  Yes, that is crazy, when they are that old, unless they&#039;re famous pics, you can really bet that the copyright has expired.  Technically all photos are copyrighted (by the photographer) whether or not they&#039;re registered, but that does expire.

Really, I haven&#039;t used Walmart for printing anything in a LONG time.  I use Walgreens now if I have to have it NOW otherwise I use my professional printers if I can wait a few days to get it.  But yes, it is most irritating when they don&#039;t give a consumer the chance to show and sign that they did take the photos themselves.  I&#039;m still burned up about a story I mentioned above where Walmart ripped up photos without giving the girl a chance to have her mother -the photographer - sign something or even state that she took them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JOEN.  Seriously?  No one asked for you to read here or give your input.  Don&#8217;t like it, go somewhere else.  &#8220;How cares anyone&#8221;???  No need for your filthy mouth here, anyway, go somewhere else.</p>
<p>@Jane.  Yes, that is crazy, when they are that old, unless they&#8217;re famous pics, you can really bet that the copyright has expired.  Technically all photos are copyrighted (by the photographer) whether or not they&#8217;re registered, but that does expire.</p>
<p>Really, I haven&#8217;t used Walmart for printing anything in a LONG time.  I use Walgreens now if I have to have it NOW otherwise I use my professional printers if I can wait a few days to get it.  But yes, it is most irritating when they don&#8217;t give a consumer the chance to show and sign that they did take the photos themselves.  I&#8217;m still burned up about a story I mentioned above where Walmart ripped up photos without giving the girl a chance to have her mother -the photographer &#8211; sign something or even state that she took them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 10:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems crazy not to print pics over 100 yrs old. But you can take them somewhere else and they will do it. In fact several places will do it, as long as Copyright is not on the pictures. People don&#039;t like to guess if its copyrighted or not, now with a good camera you can&#039;t tell what is or what is not. Or better yet, if there is a dispute do it at home. and by the way, some walmarts don&#039;t care either. and will do it. I had copies made by walmart in Las Vegas, they didn&#039;t blink a eye and copied them, they were Quinceanera pictures that looked professional but actually were not. Our walmart here never would have copied them. This is what irks me when You know you took the darn pictures yourself and they won&#039;t copy them.  Jane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems crazy not to print pics over 100 yrs old. But you can take them somewhere else and they will do it. In fact several places will do it, as long as Copyright is not on the pictures. People don&#8217;t like to guess if its copyrighted or not, now with a good camera you can&#8217;t tell what is or what is not. Or better yet, if there is a dispute do it at home. and by the way, some walmarts don&#8217;t care either. and will do it. I had copies made by walmart in Las Vegas, they didn&#8217;t blink a eye and copied them, they were Quinceanera pictures that looked professional but actually were not. Our walmart here never would have copied them. This is what irks me when You know you took the darn pictures yourself and they won&#8217;t copy them.  Jane</p>
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